because obama's not a liberal enough. >> run against -- if there were a republican president. if john kerry were right and mccain is president and you know you go run against president mccain. can you imagine how they would be howling on the right wing? >> bill: they would have been demanding they shut down the network. take their license away, the whole thing. roger does this. the accusation that fox is nothing but the propaganda arm or the broadcast arm of the republican national committee is right. you know. >> by the way, this piece is by bob woodward. this is not some kid. >> bill: i didn't notice that. >> it is by bob woodward. he dug this out somewhere. somebody came to him with it. that adds weight to it. but you know, it is like we've always said, nothing about fox is shocking, you know. so they benefit from the ridiculously low expectations because nobody expects them even to be a serious even-handed news network. >> bill: as a segue, i guess nobody expected a serious counter proposal to come from john boehner. and we didn't get it yesterday. so republicans have been